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Old 05-19-2008   #11
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Default Re: Please write in English?

for me it is more the principle behind an "english only" or even "english preferred" policy. my mother and father grew up in the U.S. at a time where they would get punished for speaking spanish on the schoolground or in the class room. (and by punished i mean paddled or beaten with a ruler)

although many new Kupikians flow toKupika via the doll making website that has it linked and many more are brought in by friends already on it, many and in theory, the main function of kupika is to serve as an "internation e-(pen)pals" website. a few penpals websites and directories have it listed as a pen-pals site. and when people are looking for international penpals they are often wanting to improve in their language ability in a language that is different from their own (not too mention broader cultural aspects as well).

so an english preference policy seems to discourage what many may come to kupika for, to improve in their non-english language ability.

Kupika is international, but just looking at teh profiles sometimes you get the impression that its only the english speakers of these countries. you even forget that they have their own culture, even primary non-english language or other language that they use every day.

it isn't "harmonizing" (which is like a beautiful blending of DIFFERENT tones) it is a "homogenizing" of our differences into a bland sameness...

lets not forget that a lot of wonderful differences get burned off in the melting pot...

(the Kupika characters don't even have any choices in international dress or props), the flags are cool but not enough)

Wouldn't it be nicer if Kupika was actually more reflective of its international membership? If, as you scrolled through the profiles, in addition to reading about how an australian, an indonesian, a german, a brit, and american all like Avril Lavigne,

you also got some bits and pieces of these different cultures because teh environment was one that embraced sharing differences and different languages.

right now Kupika's environment seems to scream out "what are the ways that we are all the same and connect and talk about" and thats a wonderful thing....

but it should also say...if youre different thats ok, and if you want to share your culture, whether it be talking about your native dress, or customs or dance or talking or writing something in your native toungue, etc., thats all good too...



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Old 05-19-2008   #12
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Originally Posted by Oroborus21
a few penpals websites and directories have it listed as a pen-pals site. and when people are looking for international penpals they are often wanting to improve in their language ability in a language that is different from their own (not too mention broader cultural aspects as well).
Hmm, I actually got to Kupika from an international penpal site, with multiple languages (English/Japanese) where I did search for penpals to practise German with. :P Hm, I guess I was expecting a snail mail site for some reason when I clicked onto the Kupika link, but Kupika just appealed to me. Had it not, I would have visited one of the numerous other links. So yes, I would not have stayed had I been focusing solely on practising a language.

but it should also say...if youre different thats ok, and if you want to share your culture, whether it be talking about your native dress, or customs or dance or talking or writing something in your native toungue, etc., thats all good too...
As it stands, <a href="http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...ntime.jpg">our little German conversation</a> on FT was quickly met with shouts of, "SPEAK ENGLISH zOMG". So right now, I would not say that the members of Kupika (in general) are welcoming of other languages. D;
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Old 05-19-2008   #13
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Originally Posted by Oroborus21
Wouldn't it be nicer if Kupika was actually more reflective of its international membership? If, as you scrolled through the profiles, in addition to reading about how an australian, an indonesian, a german, a brit, and american all like Avril Lavigne, you also got some bits and pieces of these different cultures because teh environment was one that embraced sharing differences and different languages.
I will have nothing to do with my home culture where I need not.
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Old 05-19-2008   #14
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I actually found Kupika through through a pen-palling site that was primary Japanese/English (it seems) as well.
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Old 05-19-2008   #15
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English is the international language (it uses Latin characters which are easy to type on a qwerty keyboard). So if you want to communicate with other people from other countries, you can use English.

The problem with supporting other languages lies in the structure of Kupika itself. We have a "random match" feature. Personal Ads. Latest diaries. And other things which make members "connect" with each other. Therefore we need one language that is understandable by all people.

Imagine if 25% of Kupikans use English, 10% use German, 10% use French, 10% use Tagalog, and so on... When they post Personal Ads, diaries, etc. the rest of the community (who don't speak their language) won't understand. Customizing the display for each user to suit their language preferences is a technically expensive process (the result cannot be cached).

If you want to practice other languages with people from other countries, you still need to understand English. Otherwise how could your errors be corrected?
(Let's say I only understand Indonesian. I want to learn French. So I send a letter to someone using my horrible French. She wants to correct my language mistakes, but since I am still practicing my French, I don't understand what she means. This is why I need to understand English in order to practice my French with people from another country.)
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Old 05-19-2008   #16
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Originally Posted by hina

(Let's say I only understand Indonesian. I want to learn French. So I send a letter to someone using my horrible French. She wants to correct my language mistakes, but since I am still practising my French, I don't understand what she means. This is why I need to understand English in order to practice my French with people from another country.)
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Old 05-19-2008   #17
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I find it funny that if someone didn't know English and signed up, they probably couldn't read the "please write in english" note. Not that it matters, just pointing it out. No need for anyone to reply to this with a novel.


On the note of learning French, though I'm lucky I guess to have English as my native language, when I want someone to correct an error I made in French, I would like them to point it out to me in French. I wouldn't turn to kupika if I were completely new at a language and wanted to learn it.. I can decipher how "no, 'this' is supposed to be 'this'" means from French to English, if even by drastic measures I'd have to use a translator.

I have a French journal for when I am a bit better. Right now I'm writing stories in English. Gradually it'll change to French. If I make a new friend, yay ^_^
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Old 05-19-2008   #18
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It depends on your level of understanding I guess. If I could decipher what she means in French, then yes I could learn French without any need for English. But if my understanding in French is so terrible that I could not decipher what she means in French... then I will need English (and she needs to be able to speak English too).
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Old 05-19-2008   #19
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Go to TAFE. That's what I did :P
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Old 05-23-2008   #20
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Isn't it just because, lyykee.. you know, if you dont write in English no one knows what it says anyways (except for speakers of said language), and then not many people would comment because not many understand, and it's just a waste of space..
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