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Old 05-18-2009   #1
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Is murder wrong?


NO, WAIT.
Think about it. Is murder wrong?

Think about it more. Is murder wrong in itself,
or is it wrong because you've been brought up to think that?

Think about it a bit more. Suicide bombers who not only think it's ok,
but are honoured and excited to die for their cause. They don't think it's wrong. They feel it's justified. They don't feel guilty.

What makes us right? Why are we right to say 'murder is wrong'? That's just our opinion, right? Unless you're religious and believe strongly that the no-killing rule comes from God, it's within us and that's how we know it's wrong, where are you getting your ideas about what's right and wrong from?

...murder isn't wrong. You think that because society tells you it is wrong.

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Interesting observation.

Of course, what we call "right" or "wrong" is entirely our opinion. It isn't always easy to explain why we think something is right or wrong though. I completely agree with this:
You think that because society tells you it is wrong.
We as humans are prone to be influenced by our surroundings, e.g. community/society. Also, humans have a basic instinct for survival. To achieve this, perhaps it's best for the community to mark murder as "wrong". But, in some communities, it is not "wrong" to kill other people (e.g. those terrorists or suicide bombers). They are raised that way -- it is OK to kill other races, but it's wrong to kill their own kind (because that would endanger their survival).

So... it all comes down to our basic instinct of survival.
Our own interests.
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Society tells you it's wrong, sure, but society has no effect on my personal opinion because society is so fucked up.

Murder is wrong for one reason and one reason only: We are not meant to play God. We do not get to decide who lives and who dies.
Applies to both murder and abortion which is the SAME thing.
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They are raised that way -- it is OK to kill other races, but it's wrong to kill their own kind (because that would endanger their survival).
So true. I guess when it comes down to it, we're just animals with animal instincts. I mean more than just killing there, but yes. This.

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Society tells you it's wrong, sure, but society has no effect on my personal opinion because society is so fucked up.

Murder is wrong for one reason and one reason only: We are not meant to play God. We do not get to decide who lives and who dies.
Applies to both murder and abortion which is the SAME thing.
But would you think that if you'd been brought up to be a child solider, proudly fighting for your independence?
What if you were not brought up to be religious? What if you were brought up to believe it was great to decide who lives and who dies, as a way to further the human race?

Surely most 4 year olds don't say, "Mommy, I don't believe you. Killing is wrong, stop trying to influence me. Teacher, don't teach me to kill, we can't play God. You're so fucked up."

I'm talking mainly about the formative stages of development and influence of society rather than 'peer pressure' or 'media influence' kind of thing. Although those do indeed play a (lesser) part.
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Originally Posted by Lyncheh View Post
But would you think that if you'd been brought up to be a child solider, proudly fighting for your independence?
What if you were not brought up to be religious? What if you were brought up to believe it was great to decide who lives and who dies, as a way to further the human race?

Surely most 4 year olds don't say, "Mommy, I don't believe you. Killing is wrong, stop trying to influence me. Teacher, don't teach me to kill, we can't play God. You're so fucked up."

I'm talking mainly about the formative stages of development and influence of society rather than 'peer pressure' or 'media influence' kind of thing. Although those do indeed play a (lesser) part.
Hm...
If I was a child soldier, I probably would kill to fight for independence, but I would feel terrible for killing. Like, I'd have to, but I wouldn't want to. If that makes sense...
(Not like war makes sense anyway. )

If I was brought up as by the second example, then I guess that is what I would believe (although it's wrong).

The societies that teach their citizens that killing is good are seriously effed up. IDK who is ruling them, but obviously they're related to Hitler or the Antichrist.
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Originally Posted by noodlespirit View Post
Hm...
The societies that teach their citizens that killing is good are seriously effed up. IDK who is ruling them, but obviously they're related to Hitler or the Antichrist.
BUT WHY ARE YOU RIGHT IN SAYING IT'S WRONG? Why are they wrong to say it's right?
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Because it isn't fair to kill someone, even if they are bad! Everyone has the right to live life.
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Originally Posted by noodlespirit View Post
Because it isn't fair to kill someone, even if they are bad! Everyone has the right to live life.
But why do you think that?
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Each and every person is born with the right to life. If they weren't, then we wouldn't be here, now would we?
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Originally Posted by noodlespirit View Post
Each and every person is born with the right to life. If they weren't, then we wouldn't be here, now would we?
Yes, we would.
There would just be more murdered people.

Unless you mean that life exists, so a right to life must exist to explain this.
Do we have a right to rape, because rape exists?
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