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Old 05-28-2009   #21
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Well, like I've already said, murder is wrong. You can't question a fact of life.
Indeed. It's pointless to question an objective fact, surely. But your 'argument' falls down here: It's not a 'fact of life'. The only place you have any idea that it is 'wrong' from is other people who say it is a fact of life. There are laws saying that murder is wrong? Yeah, who wrote those laws? People. People tell you through laws that 'murder is wrong'. It doesn't make it objectively so.

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Old 05-29-2009   #22
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Ten commandments.
"Thou shallt not kill."
Are you defying God?
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Old 05-29-2009   #23
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Ten commandments.
"Thou shallt not kill."
Are you defying God?
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Unless you're religious and believe strongly that the no-killing rule comes from God
Happy co-incidence or was the first post actually read finally?

A side question is though, are you 'defying God'? The answer, of course, is a resounding yes.
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Uhm, no, I'm NOT defying God. Read the fucking bible. He spoke to us humans because he wanted us to know his word. Unless you're calling our ancestors crazy?
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Uhm, no, I'm NOT defying God. Read the fucking bible. He spoke to us humans because he wanted us to know his word. Unless you're calling our ancestors crazy?
And who's to say I don't read/haven't read the Bible?

Yes, maybe God did say 'murder is wrong'. In that case, if God exists, murder is indeed wrong. But so is blasphemy. So is fornication (pre/extra marital sex). So is lying/bearing false witness. So is coveting. So are many other things written in the Bible. And seeing as you, along with everybody else, break some of the 'rules', why is murder set apart? It's not even the first commandment. In fact, in the Bible, God tells people to kill others. He tells people to stone prostitutes to death. 'Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth' comes from the Bible. Fact of life? Hm. <-- old testament, by the way.

But really, I didn't want to debate that kind of thing. It's boring. I'm more interested in an atheistic viewpoint of where the idea that murder is wrong comes from.
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'kay, so I don't lie (much), I'm not having pre-marital sex, and I don't practice blasphemy.

God tells certain people to kill others as a test of faith. But seriously, how many people today has God spoken to with orders to kill? There's enough of that already.

Murdering innocent people isn't "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth".

No surprise you'd want to discuss atheistic issues. No surprise at all.
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'kay, so I don't lie (much), I'm not having pre-marital sex, and I don't practice blasphemy.
Romans 3:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

God tells certain people to kill others as a test of faith. But seriously, how many people today has God spoken to with orders to kill? There's enough of that already.
Lol, he ordered that 60 towns were destroyed so Jews could live there. Bu- wait, what? So before there wasn't enough murder so God had to command it, but now there's enough so God doesn't have to bother? LOL that's what it sounded like to me. Unintentional lulz.

Murdering innocent people isn't "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth".
Where did I mention innocent people? But that phrase could technically be used to justify revenge murders. So murder as a whole cannot be 'wrong'. If we go by this quote.

No surprise you'd want to discuss atheistic issues. No surprise at all.
Waitwut. Just because I have a different opinion...oh no, wait...

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I'm not actually Utilitarian and the views expressed above aren't necessarily my own.
it makes me an atheist? Have fun with your Catholicism, I hear the Pope loves vanity/camwhoring and oral sex. TL;DR: if you're going to be a Catholic be one, I don't care if you follow the rules or not - unless you preach shit which you don't even follow yourself.

Now either talk about atheism or just give it up. Anyway, why is atheist an insult? I used to be an atheist. Nothing wrong with it, unless they start a forum orgy over The God Delusion.
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Lol, he ordered that 60 towns were destroyed so Jews could live there. Bu- wait, what? So before there wasn't enough murder so God had to command it, but now there's enough so God doesn't have to bother? LOL that's what it sounded like to me. Unintentional lulz.
You question God's authority?

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Where did I mention innocent people?
This thread is about murder. Murdering INNOCENT people.

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it makes me an atheist? Have fun with your Catholicism, I hear the Pope loves vanity/camwhoring and oral sex.
Oh puh-lease. Stop reading tabloids. They're just full of shit.

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Now either talk about atheism or just give it up. Anyway, why is atheist an insult? I used to be an atheist. Nothing wrong with it, unless they start a forum orgy over The God Delusion.
There IS a God, and being atheist is denying God (stating the obvious here).

Murder is forbidden. Simple as that.
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This thread is about murder. Murdering INNOCENT people.
I started the thread.
'scuse, I think I know what it's on about/intended to be on about. :|

Oh puh-lease. Stop reading tabloids. They're just full of shit.
What? LEARN2SARCASM. I meant (quite obviously) that Catholicism does NOT allow those things, therefore you are 'denying God' or some shit like that lololol basiklyz tbh

The rest is too stupid to reply to, obviously never heard of devil's advocate.
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Honestly, you're only making yourself sound stupid. If only Kenny or my mother were here... They know more than I do, and they'd call you out on EVERYTHING you're saying.
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