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Yeah, I do agree, I'm not trying to defend people like that :/ They're annoying and sad and partly why people see someone dressed in dark clothes are go 'Ew, depressed emo kid'
Because people no longer look past the surface :|

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darkdreams

Now it seems if your all dark and such your cool not,when will people learn?

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supp_katie

well, after reading this conversation you're all having, i have quite alot too say.
firstly; its not just emo's/scene people that get discriminated against, and I know quite alot of "scene" or "emo" people that discriminate against, "preps" or "chavs" ect.
its one big circle, no one seems to like people who are different too them, whether it be emo's not liking preps, or chav's not liking scene people. If they arent in their "clique" they are suddenly the enemy, or whatever.
I think that all kinds of discrimination against anyone is just, not worth it, its a waste of breath, a waste of time and definately just shows how low someone is.
But i honestly wouldn't hate all the "preps" because one of them was bagging out an emo kid once upon a time, because its not about who the people hang out with, they are individual's and the individual person has the choice to accept people or not.
What people wear might express them in some way or another, but you dont know what a person's like because their myspace is all black and red, what music they listen too, or what they wear. They might be happy, but just like that style of clothing/music/colour sceme. And just because someone who looks "emo" is happy doesnt mean that they are a "wemo" or a poser, they are wearing what they want too wear, they are an individual, no one in any clique is the same, they are all different, they just have alot in common.
judging people you dont know, or stereotyping people, is just stupid, and low.

i rest my case. lol.

Sanyu

I'm boycotting the term EMO on this forum. Please follow, fellow members.

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Lyncheh

*am doing so*

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neoeno

People don't do things for no reason. If you think rich kids shouldn't complain because they can have anything material they want... that seems pretty shortsighted to me. Everyone needs attention. Perhaps no one paid them any attention when they were growing up, or perhaps they were given the wrong kind. Nearly everyone we meet is far more complex than we will ever see... especially those who don't seem it.

Ask yourself a question. What would it take to get you to do the same thing they do? If you need attention so much that you're willing to pretend you're going to commit suicide, what must be going through your head? And of course, some of them might not be joking some of the time.

Not to get at you particularly, sugartastic, but this Society Scapegoat needs to stop. You're society, I'm society, we're all society, we can even all make out own society. Pretty much everything you can think of is created by society... school, work, jobs, money, media, music, this forum and the needs that caused this forum to exist. So change it, for your little section of society, and at the very least understand it (the answer is always far more complicated than face value)

Labels aren't necessarily based on that... sure, it's an effect in some cases but it's not necessarily why people join them. Painting is a useful analogy. Take... I dunno, surrealism. One guy went out and did all this crazy stuff, and other painters were like "Dude that shit is fucking awesome", and so they were influenced by the guys work and built on it themselves. Some people like the emoscene fashion, so they take the ideas and make it into something they like to wear. Of course, they share the same base, and so they will often look similar, but it's not necessarily conforming (any more than the surrealists were all conformists to that style of painting). Similarly, it's called scene because... that's just the word for it, same as surrealism was the word for the style.

Now, if you want to talk about conforming, this is it: when you are in some way coerced to wear a certain style of clothes. School uniform, suits (there's a group of people who really /do/ all look the same), and those who wear clothes because they have to keep up with what's 'in' fashion rather than because they like it.

As to when labels are used unhelpfully... that's when you associate a given personality with it. "Emos slit their wrists", "Chavs are thugs", etc.

Nothing against you personally, sugartastic. Just that your post covered everything I wanted to talk about in this thread...

So yeah... "every [wo]man is a variation of yourself". No one's so simple that they can be reduced to a single definition of a group... and all of the people in a group deserve at least a modicum of our respect.

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toinks

grr i get called emo/goth and yea i were tight jeans and the eyeliner and stuff but that doesnt rilly give them any reson to do that i think change/diffrence is good but some people dont think so i just about screamed my head off at the last person who yelled at me for being emo.

Serpent

I hate labels...because of labels I don't fit anywhere....now I don't wish to break the boycott but I might if I get to angry.....bad things happen when I get angry.....okay so I have to deal with preps calling me "Emotional" and the "Emotionals" calling me preps.....ugh.....I used to fit in everywhere.....now I just don't know what the heck to do....

Sanyu

The whole reason I'm even boycotting the term emo is because people misrepresent it. Don't replace it with Emotional. That's even worse.. :/

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GothikSwan

ok, there is just one small thing I'd like to object to here. And I do get your point but something annoys me.

You say this as if kids who just happen to be rich have nothing to be sad about. As if they actually have no reason to be depressed. Which while I understand that you might see them having no reason to be depressed for material possessions and such, there is still reasons that they can get sad. And ok, self pity might not quite be the word to describe it, but being what can be labelled as a 'rich kid' myself (go to a private school, my dad owns a company etc.) I do find it a little bit unfair.

Ok, so I'm pretty lucky on the front that I get a good education as such. Apart from the fact that where I get my education, I get teased like hell. An all girls school, which sucks for the fact that i tower about an inch above anyone else, and every single girl seems to be obsessed with guys and their own bodies. Where rumours aren't even hidden from you but asked straight to your face. I board, and guess what I het in the evening? An inquisition every single night on different subject... I won't mention the subjects here, because they're slightly embarrasing for myself, but they're bad. And I just wonder what people would say if they actually knew i was bi. First and foremost, I'd lose half my friends... Some of my friends parents are even homophobic... As in, even they wouldn't like me... Discourage they're kids to like me.

And far from my life being perfect, I have a very broken up family. A half family, my family, and a step family. My dad has had three wives, all at different times, and the one he decided to stay with in the end hates me. As in, she stormed out of the house on my birthday saying that she didn't want to be in the same room as me. And took her daughters with her. The things that lay up to this? A lot. Basically, she had her daughters calling my skeleton, anorexic, skiiny, boney etc. and me complaining to me mum. my mum writing an email to my dad... and then my stepmum reading my dad's email. and a lot in between, before and after.
the thing is, im not even slightly anorexic. i went to the doctors about it because my stepmum insistsed, and they said nothing was wrong. that didn't stop them from teasing me though, did it?

phew. Well, thats the end of my tirade. And so what I'm basically saying is, that while some of the rich kids (like quite a few of the ones at my school: one cried for a week because she wasn't allowed a pony) have nothing to be sad about, dont make stereotypes of them either. Because that just makes yourself your own hypocrites.