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Old 08-11-2008   #11
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.. I thought this section was for essays. Hence being required to submit essays to be able to post it this board.

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Old 08-11-2008   #12
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.. I thought this section was for essays. Hence being required to submit essays to be able to post it this board.
I fixed it since this is a hot button topic for me.
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Old 08-11-2008   #13
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The primary goal of this section is still the same:
Let's create a dedicated forum/board to talk about "stuff that matters".

Initially I thought only "selected members" could post in this section.
But we see, many "worthy" posts are created by different [unselected] members.
Therefore, when I see a topic worthy for inclusion, I move it to this section.

The essay requirement is just a way to show thinking and writing skills.
However... topics that can inspire discussion don't necessarily require perfect writing skills.

What really matters is the topic/discussion itself. The substance.

If you find this contradictory with what I have said in the past...
maybe I was wrong, and maybe next year we will have something different again. Who knows?
It took 1000 experiments to get a working lightbulb

But let's get back on topic shall we
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Old 08-11-2008   #14
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All good points.

But I think it's also important to consider how to fight back or defend ourselves from the ethereal society. There are people to blame, they just hide behind said cloak of society to get out of it. Consider what a major beauty company said shortly after underweight models were banned from the catwalks, something with the gist of "the beauty/fashion industry is not at fault here". Needless to say, I felt like punching them in their smarmy profiteering faces :P

Any suggestions?
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Old 08-11-2008   #15
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Originally Posted by Lyncheh
As a pale girl in a tanned world, I can relate to this. :P
Exactly. Same here. o.o I've been very light-skinned my entire life (I don't tan, I buurrnnn) and I was in a school with tan and darker skinned kids -- that was the majority. And I have been made fun of for it for years. :/ How messed up is that? I can't believe people are still mocking others for having a different skin color.

I was called "white girl", a ghost, "Casper", everything you can think of, and some other things that I won't repeat. o.o

It's very true about society's standards for "beauty". Over the generations, things have changed, but there's always been those little hints (sometimes not so subtle) in the media as to what's beautiful and what is frowned upon when it comes to young girls. Being thin is one of them. You see ads all over malls and commercials about beauty, almost always portraying some thin tan woman with wavy -- usually blonde -- hair. And they're wearing tons of make-up. It's an advertisement for a beauty product, telling you that if you use this, you'll look like the picture of beauty -- the woman in the commercial. Same goes for TV shows. You always see some girl on TV show that's thin with revealing clothes, make-up and long hair. And everyone hits on her. o.o Then when the show needs jokes, they throw in the "ugly girl" -- or rather, what the media thinks is ugly. She's usually overweight, has glasses and most likely frizzy hair of some kind. It may not be obvious to some people, but this is definitely an example of society telling you what's beautiful and what's not. The "ugly girl" in the show is usually made fun of, nobody wants to date her and all that... it's letting you know that to be "pretty" -- which isn't pretty to some -- you have to look like the first girl. Of course, society relies way too much on looks and personality isn't really a factor in relationships nowadays. Even at school you'll see this -- some kid will develop a crush on another based solely on looks. Ridiculous? Most likely. Shallow? Definitely. It may take kids who watch this stuff years to realise that someone may be beautiful to them but they may also be (quoting a South Park episode here) as interesting as a wet carrot when their looks fade as they grow older.

Also the tans... blech. A friend of mine once called spray-on tans "Fake 'N Bake" and that's exactly what those tans look like. It makes you look orange and it also looks unnatural. But people do it because they're trying to fit in the "beauty" category of this generation -- thin and tan. May I suggest Pink's video Stupid Girls? It's a good take on the issue being discussed here. Thin girls throwing up to be pretty, platinum blonde hair, fake tans and tons of pink and revealing clothes. Don't forget the little tiny dogs. Paris Hilton is (unfortunately) the idol of some young girls because of her looks, even though she doesn't do anything. She may be in a show, if you count that show as some sort of "talent", but that's about it. She's just an heiress to tons of money, parties too much and gets drunk a lot, but she's still an idol. Why? Because girls want to look like her -- for some reason.

The throwing up thing is a BIG problem. I keep seeing girls -- even on Kupika -- talking about how they need to go on diets and be skinny even though they're ten years old! Can you believe that? They are even younger girls than that throwing up and they're not overweight at all. It's ridiculous. They want to be thin and beautiful so badly that they make themselves sick, develop anorexia before they're even eleven years old and end up being unhealthy and deathly ill all because of how much society forces "beauty" onto them. They think that if they're not like the posters and models, nobody will love them and they end up having low self-esteem. It's sad, really. I think it might be a sign that our society isn't doing much good when it comes to kids these days...
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Old 08-12-2008   #16
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I don't want to quote you because you have such a big post but I agree. But, you also have to keep in mind, for America especially, how many people are dangerously unhealthy because they are OVERWEIGHT. I'm not saying it's easy to loose weight, or that all people gain it just by eating. To look at this in a positive way it may encourage people to loose weight that actually might need to for their healths sake. But they need to be encouraged to do it in a healthy way, by making healthy choices, exercising more and eating only what they need to.

I hate the glasses thing because it's very rare for somebody to have perfect vision. Most people really do need glasses. I hate how people look at others that wear them and think he/she is a dork. I blame that on TV too, because like you said, thats what shows betray. Unfortunately, people don't seem to grasp that the show is 'fiction'. Which is why It's probably like that.
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Old 08-12-2008   #17
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I know what you mean about the vision thing. Almost everyone in my family is supposed to wear glasses because of their vision. I'm one of the only ones that doesn't need glasses, so it seems kinda rare that someone does have perfect vision.

I understand what you mean about people that are overweight in America, but we are NOT approaching the issue correctly. Do you think having a poster with a skinny tan woman with tons of make-up is giving off the right message to the right people? I don't think so. If that's true, then why are there still so many overweight people? It doesn't seem to be working, does it? Guess who's getting the messages of "be thin and pretty"? The kids. The little girls. TEN-YEAR-OLD girls are the ones throwing up and getting deathly ill because of those posters -- NOT the actual overweight people. The overweight ones aren't affected -- or perhaps some of them are, but they're not the ones making themselves ill. People who aren't even overweight are trying to be thin. Perfectly normal healthy girls are becoming anorexic before they're out of elementary school. What is that telling you? That these ads are usually directed towards girls and how society perceives them if they look a certain way. Having posters of pretty, glowing perfect girls is not going to solve obesity in this country. That's not how you fix such a huge problem... with pretty pictures. The only thing coming out of these posters is girls with low self-esteem, anger and in severe cases, anorexia.

It's usually the young impressionable girls that are affected by these things because... well, they're impressionable. They see something that people like and admire, and they want to be that because they want that attention and love. In most cases, would an adult that's overweight and doesn't work out care about this poster? Hardly. In most cases, this person has made unhealthy choices for a long time and doesn't commit any time to working out or exercising and they're older so they probably have seen all this stuff before. A poster usually isn't enough to change someone's lifestyle habits -- but it can for a young kid. All THEY have to do is throw up and eat less and suddenly everyone will love them. That's how they see it, unfortunately. I honestly don't think any good will come out of posters like this... or that posters will solve America's obesity problem. The people with normal weight just get skinnier and those who are overweight just stay the same.
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Old 08-12-2008   #18
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I understand what you mean about people that are overweight in America, but we are NOT approaching the issue correctly. Do you think having a poster with a skinny tan woman with tons of make-up is giving off the right message to the right people? I don't think so. If that's true, then why are there still so many overweight people? It doesn't seem to be working, does it? Guess who's getting the messages of "be thin and pretty"? The kids. The little girls. TEN-YEAR-OLD girls are the ones throwing up and getting deathly ill because of those posters -- NOT the actual overweight people. The overweight ones aren't affected -- or perhaps some of them are, but they're not the ones making themselves ill. People who aren't even overweight are trying to be thin. Perfectly normal healthy girls are becoming anorexic before they're out of elementary school. What is that telling you? That these ads are usually directed towards girls and how society perceives them if they look a certain way. Having posters of pretty, glowing perfect girls is not going to solve obesity in this country. That's not how you fix such a huge problem... with pretty pictures. The only thing coming out of these posters is girls with low self-esteem, anger and in severe cases, anorexia.
I understand this, but it's not what I meant in my post. What I was getting at is that, how do i put this? That, It COULD help out in some aspects, but it's still wrong. I can't really explain exactly what I mean because it's very hard to get at. But I tried my best and thats that. Basically, it could be a good thing if it encourages girls who need to loose weight to become healthy, but it isn't showing them the RIGHT way. I never said that obese kids would try to, but that it's a possibility. But then again, these ads weren't made specifically to tell people they have to skinny. They were made to tell people they can look beautiful with whatever the product it is they are advertising.
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Old 08-12-2008   #19
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I wore glasses for almost my entire childhood, and I got picked on for it. I had an acne problem that I had to go on serious (apparently) antibiotics and get some lasered off because they were just that bad. My hair was an impossible mess of frizz and waves that I couldn't control. I've been the target of bullying since grade 1 for what I assume is these things (except the acne and wavy hair, they only came in at like grade 7 or something)... My reputation didn't ever die, so people always saw me like that, but in middle high I got a flat iron, stopped wearing my glasses completely, shopped at Supre and started wearing foundation. People on the streets seemed positively receptive of my conformation to society's norm, and it felt good at first, but I don't see how people could possibly want to build their life over that feeling. I dress for myself, rarely wear cakey makeup, cover up (lol Lolita) and such now and I get much more respectable positive responses from much lovelier people, i.e. Not 19 year old hoons beeping their cars like mad and wolf whistling. I don't understand this need for attention like that... But I can see why people would do some things for themselves. Boob jobs, makeup, clothing.. the latter two may be actual interests and hobbies, and the former, well.. It's a sign of feminism, I guess? I've considered it, but then I discovered all the cute undies in my size and watched my E-cup friend fail at finding anything in her size let alone something cute.. so I'm a little more appreciative now.
I've always had pale skin and a thin figure. I got my dad's fast metabolism so I can eat all the sweets I like and not get overweight (somehow I manage to actually be underweight.. just like a twig ;; and I get enough comments saying EAT SOMETHING that offend the hell out of me because I am a right pig, I don't need to eat more! That might cause artery blockage or something). Some people will think I'm ungrateful for this because I complain about my fat, but fat is way more than overweight/underweight. Society makes people judgmental and bitter as well as insecure, it seems.
I've never had a problem with my pale skin. My best friend in primary school was pretty pale too I guess.. but I was best friends with a Filipina girl in high school. I wonder if we looked odd to people, being such different skin colours? If we looked odd, nobody cared. Yay, one less thing to worry about!

I find it disheartening that kids as young as 10 are forcing adult issues upon themselves. I wish they'd just enjoy their childhood and youth while they still have it! But I guess, those ads ARE everywhere.. They're probably even on during kids television shows. I wouldn't know as I don't watch TV much, and if I do it's pay TV without all the usual ads, or something.

Regarding overweight people losing weight to meet the ideal approaching it the wrong way, I'm not sure if it's just Australia but we have A LOT of public campaigns advertising healthy eating habits and exercise. I see more encouragement to lose weight properly than I do to purge your food like hollywood does. Example in both America and Australia: The Biggest Loser. I don't know how popular it is in America but it was always talked about on contemporary radio here. I've never watched it, but it's a TV programme that rewards the contestant who loses the most weight. I think they have personal trainers, so they have to exercise very regularly and I think they also have dieticians? So they're put on strict diets. Well, perhaps they aren't strict; the contestant decides how much or how little they want to do, says Wikipedia. I think this is a good example of self-discipline and I like that they air this on TV to give people an idea of how strict they need to be with themselves if they want to lose weight instead of making themselves sick.
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Old 08-12-2008   #20
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Yeah. I'm a little overweight myself and every time I see this crap I feel very self conscious. Unfortunately I've got my mother's metabolism and just kind of remain the same weight (which is about 10 or 20 pounds more than "skinny" people), no matter how much or little I eat. Thankfully there are a lot of people who aren't caught into this trap of society's way of thinking and it's misconstrued definition of beauty. I try not to bother with it. Even when I run into people that look at nothing but waistline and the ratio of your hips to your breasts, I just laugh at them and stick with the people who see me for who I am, and I them. Weather you're what society would call "beautiful", or "ugly", we all need to start being a lot more considerate that it truly matters who you are rather than what you look like. Besides, I've met quite a few people who are "gorgeous" on the outside, yet absolutely hideous on the inside

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