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Old 06-06-2009   #21
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I just think that the foundation and all that is stupid. We all know you've got pimples, zits, blemishes, etc. Stop trying to pretend you don't.
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Old 06-06-2009   #22
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I think foundation is really good for things like photoshoots...or it would be...if they didn't photoshop everything out anyway. o_e
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Old 06-06-2009   #23
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True, true. Pick one or the other. Then again, I don't see a problem in keeping blemishes. I mean, at least make it look real.
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Old 06-06-2009   #24
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Not everyone has blemishes naturally, so I wouldn't want to see it in a magazine.
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Old 06-06-2009   #25
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Girls look so much better without too much make up on their faces. A little is ok but too much is a put off
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Old 06-06-2009   #26
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*Sigh* you should see some of the little plasterers in class. 12 and they already put on foundation, blusher, concealer (even though they have no spots or blackheads)...the whole shabang!
Personally, I only wear mascara and and lip balm. But I know how to put it on. And I don't wear it at the weekend and stuff...I only wear make-up to impress guys...*slaps self*but I just feel sorry for those girls who have to "put their face on". It creeps me out. I like Snog, Marry, Avoid - it teaches girls (and guys) to keep it simple. For all out of Britain it has those tacky orange people take their slap off.
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Old 06-06-2009   #27
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Make-up is a weird knot of logic and influence. It's very difficult to untangle. I find it best to treat it as a black box, and pose questions to it in order to demonstrate a few things. Keep in mind that make-up and beauty are very much a group phenomenona, and separating you from that group does not necessarily lead to useful thoughts. Our society influences us more than we feel comfortable admitting.

Q: If make-up was suddenly seen as tacky and unattractive, what would happen? Would you still wear it and find it attractive? Would most people still wear it and find it attractive?
Q: If you had grown up in an environment where make-up was seen as tacky and unattractive, would you feel pretty wearing it?
Q: Would wearing make-up in a common style of the past make you feel less or more pretty than your current style?
Q: If you had grown up as a member of the opposite sex, would make-up still make you feel attractive? What would you attitude towards it be?
Q: What social structures and media outlets influence your ideas of what kind of make-up is attractive, or even acceptable? What happens to your thoughts when you subtract that influence?

I won't debate the answers, that's not the point of the questions. I will say, though, that my opinion is that beauty ideals (including make-up) are defined by society, and that as such our efforts to make ourselves beautiful are efforts towards fulfilment of a certain set of criteria. These criteria control, unless consciously subverted, how much self-esteem we are allowed to feel. Therefore, we are under the control of beauty rather than beauty being under our control.

And, as something that controls us, I think it is important that we question it, and take some form of action to free ourselves if we find that necessary.

One final, more unsettling question, results:
Q: If beauty is a form of control, then how is that control exercised? Who exercises it? Does anyone benefit and if so who?
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Old 06-06-2009   #28
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Q: If make-up was suddenly seen as tacky and unattractive, what would happen? Would you still wear it and find it attractive? Would most people still wear it and find it attractive?
A: I wear make that I like. Unless I was treated like a peodo or something for wearing it, yeah, probably. And no, most people are sheep who don't want to stand out.
Q: If you had grown up in an environment where make-up was seen as tacky and unattractive, would you feel pretty wearing it?
A: Most people in my family and class thinks manga is unattractive, but I still draw it.
Q: Would wearing make-up in a common style of the past make you feel less or more pretty than your current style?
A: I don't wear it in a common style of the moment, why would I wear it in a common style of the past?
Q: If you had grown up as a member of the opposite sex, would make-up still make you feel attractive? What would you attitude towards it be?
A: Boys are raised differently from girls, when girls are taught to be sensitive boys are told to be rough and tumble. So, no. I have no idea what my attitude would be!
Q: What social structures and media outlets influence your ideas of what kind of make-up is attractive, or even acceptable? What happens to your thoughts when you subtract that influence?
A: I don't know! I like what I like! Some people like ice-cream, some people don't.
But I don't understand the last Q.
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Old 06-06-2009   #29
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Actually, some people put concealer/foundation/whatever because their skin tones on different parts of their faces are uneven.
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Old 06-07-2009   #30
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^Yes, but balance and symmetry have been marketed to us in the industry as beautiful for a loooong time. People wanting their facial tones to be even are still seeking some sort of beauty.

While watching Star Trek the original series with me, my friend yelled out OMG SPOCK'S EYEBROWS ARE AWESOME. She asked if it's possible to get her eyebrows to look like that so we started talking about how to conceal the brow line with makeup and how to make a drawn on angled brow look realistic, blah blah.. At the end she said "so I can't actually get it to grow that way? Damn."
I don't think this is influenced at all by societal perceptions of beauty. Most of my friends are like this, they see something they like and they like it, they don't care how it would be received (unless maybe it kept them out of a job - they need money, they're adults). Thus, I don't relate to those who use makeup this (above posts) way or in view of the mainstream because it's mainstream, blah blah. :P
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