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Old 05-09-2008   #21
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Default Re: Leave emo's alone!

Bone to pick with you neoeno.
No masculinity does not need a kick in the head, people who dont understand what masculentiy really is do.
I think anytime you let misandric people (NOW for example) define something they hate you will end up with a hated definition.
I am masculine, I don't hate emos, I dont really hate anyone. I am over protective if anything. I'm not on Kupika right now because I so wanna mosh with some of the dudes on there I kinda don't like for reasons.....

Yup I'm physical, yup I'm straight, yup I love women and sports. I don't think that makes me a bad person, yet society makes me a villian because I am not feminine. I like long walks on the beach, and sunsets if I'm with a woman, but nope it actually does nothing for me.

Will someone plese back me up on this....
EMO is EMOtive -NOT- EMOtional

LOL The ad box says cheer up emo kid :-)
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Old 05-09-2008   #22
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I think you are all horrible for saying that emo i just a passing 'fad' or whatever. Emo is not a style, it's a way of life...and, sure, maybe some people say they're emo and then they do cuts just becasue they think it's in style, but those of them who truly are emo, are usually depressed, and were depressed way before they went emo, so they decided that they would start calling themselves 'emo' becasue they knew that it was a group where they would feel accepted and where they would fit in. so HOW DARE poeple act like people who call themselves emo are just 'attention grabbers' why don't you all just leave everyone else the hell alone!!?

p.s. I am NOT emo, I DO NOT do labels....but I know how it feels to hurt yourself.....and it's not just because you want to "relieve stress"...you do it becasue when you feel the pain, it helps you 'wake up'. and you want to stop, you want to stop very badly, but you can't becasue you are addicted. it's like a drug, you just can't stop...and it hurts..it hurts so badly, that you stop feeling the pain, and you go numb, and you stay numb, so you keep doing it, becauce eventually, you don't feel it anymore.

and it sucks. because you know what it's doing to yourself. DON'T EVER EVER DO CUTS! you don't want to go through hell like that...ever.
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Old 05-09-2008   #23
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At the end of the day most emo's are depressed mental unbalanced individuals who self harm.

If we still had mental institutions they would be in there getting shock therapy.

Hardcore pills and brain electrocution, you for sure did not want to be crazy in the long long ago
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Old 05-09-2008   #24
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Default Re: Leave emo's alone!

Originally Posted by neoeno
I am actually pretty fond of the emo youth movement. For me, it represents two things:

- Antimasculinity
I think that would more likely be the scene movement, which I myself am also fond of :-*
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P.S.: And, one final thing. I've developed an objective test to see whether someone is emo or not:
Q: Is MCR emo?
If they answer no, they're emo. If they answer yes, they're not.
LOL it's so true! I took a survey of the few people who were online. Responses:

#1: um.. maybe, lol. they hate being called emo
- A boy very very into the scene culture XD

#2: wats mcr? yes apparently they r
- A more gangsterish chick than anything.

#3: yes
- Long time scene follower, from before the media grabbed hold of it. He's lovely :]

#4: i have no idea what MCR stands for haha
Me: My Chemical Romance. not quite jrock, sorry XD
Her: oh, uh, i don tthink its emo lol or well. emo is like a genre.. so eh. its a mixture of a few thigns lol
- Jrock fan, obviously doesn't know much about the subject at hand :P



Well, that was fun! Ask your emo friends that question, kids. I haven't got many, it seems! *asks random scene kids on kupika that question* I'll keep you posted~
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Old 05-09-2008   #25
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To a female, what is attractive about a male who is feminine, why not just date same sex that doesn't try to be feminine but IS.

I am older than yall, well Oroborus21 is older than me, but I would not have put MCR into the emo catagory LOL

Is 'the used' considered emo?

Also I like 'the wrens' not so sure if they are emo either, my music is bizarro, I have JPOP too ^_^
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Old 05-09-2008   #26
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Default Re: Leave emo's alone!

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neoeno: who is the "founders" of emo? I thought it "just happened" ?
Sure, but there were a small group of people at the beginning, who had a degree of control over the emerging movement. They might not have known exactly what they were doing, however.

Originally Posted by prom
Bone to pick with you neoeno.
No masculinity does not need a kick in the head, people who dont understand what masculentiy really is do.
I think anytime you let misandric people (NOW for example) define something they hate you will end up with a hated definition.
I am masculine, I don't hate emos, I dont really hate anyone. I am over protective if anything. I'm not on Kupika right now because I so wanna mosh with some of the dudes on there I kinda don't like for reasons.....
Yup I'm physical, yup I'm straight, yup I love women and sports. I don't think that makes me a bad person, yet society makes me a villian because I am not feminine. I like long walks on the beach, and sunsets if I'm with a woman, but nope it actually does nothing for me.
"No masculinity does not need a kick in the head, people who dont understand what masculentiy really is do."
Again, there's no authoritative definition. The only definition is the one shared by the majority of men. Obviously I can't claim to know that for sure either, but I'm taking what I see to be the general definition based on my experiences.
Let's take a very simple example, the issue of dress:
In our current society, women can wear, generally, whatever they like. Trousers, shorts, skirts, dresses, make-up, no make-up, whatever. Some are more likely to be picked up on by others, but in general they're all okay.
For men this is a different issue. Men DON'T wear dresses, DON'T wear skirts (save for kilts), DON'T wear makeup (except in a few specific circumstances), DON'T wear pink (though this is fading among the middle class). These things are obviously culture-based rather than nature-based. If I were to randomly go into school wearing a skirt, I'd probably get beaten up. Why such a strong response? Like I said, because masculinity hates anything that challenges it.

There's a lot more I could go into, but that illustrates my point pretty well. you can pick and choose what parts of masculinity you like, but there's no denying that it's a (figuratively) violent force. Femininity was just as bad, but that got a thourough beating by the feminist movement. Not totally, but it was a big step in the right direction.

Originally Posted by Sanyu
I think that would more likely be the scene movement, which I myself am also fond of
Eh... I don't think emo and scene are different enough to consider them different species :P I've heard that scene is just emo with all the emotional stuff taken out? Anywayz... be careful with that question, some people get rather upset at the idea MCR might be emo :P
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Old 05-09-2008   #27
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Originally Posted by prom
To a female, what is attractive about a male who is feminine, why not just date same sex that doesn't try to be feminine but IS.
That's probably the reason most people into that sort of thing are bi. :P
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Old 05-09-2008   #28
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Again, there's no authoritative definition. The only definition is the one shared by the majority of men. Obviously I can't claim to know that for sure either, but I'm taking what I see to be the general definition based on my experiences.
Well truly their is no authoritative definition of much anything, which is why dictionaries get revisions....but because so many males have no father, and have never had a true father figure in their lives every day they lack the understanding of what it means to be a guy, for that matter girls have no male role model, they have no clue either.

Males run the other direction when it comes to children because they are a huge legal and financial liability. I can use the term liability here because most marriages end in divorce, most divorces are female initiated, marriages with children the kids go to the mother, the father has limited visitation, and huge payments. Face it, if you aren't around someone every day you lose touch with them and stop thinking about them, normal people do anyhow, life goes on. The court system is female biased, most laws are biased twords punshing males, and I don't think you can find a male role model on tv right now if you tried. If there was one the media is sure to destroy him. Of course it's hard to understand masculinity in these days, there is limited exposure to it.

Oh and date a girl with kids....never.....there are news stories daily of dudes getting sent up the river for what little jill or johnny said.

Let's take a very simple example, the issue of dress:
In our current society, women can wear, generally, whatever they like. Trousers, shorts, skirts, dresses, make-up, no make-up, whatever. Some are more likely to be picked up on by others, but in general they're all okay.
For men this is a different issue. Men DON'T wear dresses, DON'T wear skirts (save for kilts), DON'T wear makeup (except in a few specific circumstances), DON'T wear pink (though this is fading among the middle class). These things are obviously culture-based rather than nature-based. If I were to randomly go into school wearing a skirt, I'd probably get beaten up. Why such a strong response? Like I said, because masculinity hates anything that challenges it.

There's a lot more I could go into, but that illustrates my point pretty well. you can pick and choose what parts of masculinity you like, but there's no denying that it's a (figuratively) violent force. Femininity was just as bad, but that got a thourough beating by the feminist movement. Not totally, but it was a big step in the right direction.
Dude, masculinity didn't beat you up, someone unsure of their own sexuality did. I have no problem with cross-dressers, homosexuals, or whatever. I don't want to see gay sex acts, and public kissing kinda weirds me for male-male -or- male-female.
Wear the effing dress and get tough and learn self-defense!!!
Kick ass in a dress you will make more friends standing for your convictions the cowering in the corner afraid of what might happen.
That is a part of masculinity, standing for what you believe in, and protecting others who are less able to defend themselves voicing what they believe in....even if you don't agree.
Dude age will be helpful in this issue for you, but really as much as I LOVED to prank people, sometimes maliciously, I would still keep the omega dude from having his ass handed to him.
I don't think that sort of thing really happens anymore.

emos take self defense, fight back, deal damage equal to the punishment the school will give you. Make it worth your while. If this person initiated the battery against you KNOCK THEIR TEETH OUT, the criminal law system can't press charges in self-defense cases, the school may suspend you, if they try to expell you appeal it.

if you don't want to be bullied don't let it happen, and please, do it old school, no knives or guns, there is no honor in winning against an unarmed opponent.

Honor.....a huge part of it, the hardest part to master too.

Self defense is not violence, it is why countries have departments of defense and not departments of war. Just arm yourself with every tactic available and only use them when needed. Plus boxing and other means of defense will make you more graceful when you dance in your dress :-)

Dudes move your feet when you dance LOL
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Old 05-09-2008   #29
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My point with the authoritative definition thing is that it makes saying "Most men think masculinity is X, but it is REALLY Y" the one true Scotsman fallacy.

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Dude, masculinity didn't beat you up, someone unsure of their own sexuality did. I have no problem with cross-dressers, homosexuals, or whatever. I don't want to see gay sex acts, and public kissing kinda weirds me for male-male -or- male-female.
That's not really my point :P The very fact that you brought up cross-dressing and homosexuality illustrates my position (your subtext being: if you wear a dress, you must be trying to be female). Another illuminating issue is that of kilts. Men can wear kilts, but they can't wear skirts, so they justify this by saying a kilt isn't a skirt (and coming up with technicalities or whatever). It IS a skirt. Why can't they admit that? Because masculinity requires that they don't break the rules.

Getting beaten up (or verbally abused, excluded, whatever) is only ONE part of the issue. Masculinity is a prison for the people who have it inside their heads, the people on the outside just perpetuate it by enforcing the rules. Sure, it wasn't some personified masculinity that beat me up, but it WAS someone driven by the norms and values of masculinity and my breaking of them.

This prison of stereotypes is the problem, and this is why masculinity needs a kick in the head.
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Old 05-09-2008   #30
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whoa there.......

what makes you think cross-dressers want to be female any more than a woman wearing jeans and a plaid shirt wants to be male

what makes you believe that's what I think, is this an assertion of ignorance on your part, have you met anyone who was a guy who cross-dressed?

a kilt is kilt, sorry not a skirt, it has a tartan on it that should hold strong significance to those that wear it.
If you see someone call something without a tartan on it a kilt, bitch smack them, it is a skirt.
Lineage is what separates kilts from skirts, not the modern redefinition radical feminist society is attempting to impart on it and most every other masculine thing.

So why do people wish to redefine something which is masculine as something which is feminine, is there a feeling masculinity is somehow 'wrong' or misguided; I'm afraid have you bought into the radical feminist ideology that instead of man and woman being equals, women and feminism is better without truly understanding masculinity first.
The notion you think it needs to be kicked in the head shows what you do not understand as of yet.
YES EVEN HOMOSEXUALS ARE MASCULINE, think of all the Greeks and Romans, for that matter they make Michael Jackson look like a lightweight, PedoBear would be proud of them.

Masculinity is not a prison, ignorance of the subject is, as is ignorance of people in general, masculinity would not cause me to beat you down for wearing a dress.
Yes I would find it unusual, I would say, "Hey, why are you wearing a dress." Really I would be a smart ass and probably say those are not the in colors this season :-P
If someone yelled fag or beat you up and you looked like you weren't holding your own and you didn't scowl at me for being curious about you I would render aid, because that's how it works.
So yes it is a prison for me in the sense I am compelled to defend people who need it and hold doors for women LOL

Wait, and for the girls out there, true femininity is not bad either, if you want to stay home, raise children and do girly things....It's not bad, it's not a prison, don't let people make you think your choices are prisons, they are building walls, limiting your choices and building a prison for you to live in. LIVE YOUR LIFE THE WAY YOU WANT TO.....THE VERY THING THEY WANT YOU TO BELIEVE IS THE VERY THING THEY ARE DOING TO YOU.

this is not against you neoeno, this is the mind f*** that society(media really) is doing to people, it ignores evolution, it ignores customs and traditions that made the human race an evolutionary success. YEA SUCCESS IS A PRISON

true freedom is being yourself, expressing yourself and protecting others rights to do the very same thing

True femininity and masculinity are a good thing, maybe they will come back some day, maybe not.

Either way this BS fascination with good and bad in society is infuriating, everything is shades of grey, finger pointing is useless, solve problems when you see them. My god be assertive, defend the scene girls when they are called sluts, and the wimpy little emo kid.

I've given up the people will ever stop watching the shadows on the walls believing those shadows are real life.
I am too old to care, I have talked long enough, if noone is willing to educate themselves f it (this isn't directed at anyone here, especially neoeno, this is directed at those who make the bigger decisions, the popular media people I know all too well)

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